Crescent College Comprehensive S.J. Traditional Leaving Certificate Subject Choice Mr. Denis Callaghan Guidance Counsellor Leaving Certificate Programme Leaving Certificate is a 2 year programme. Usually a maximum of 7 subjects are taken for the Leaving Certificate. Full time commitment required over 2 years. 5th year is very important especially for those hoping to gain entry to high points courses. An extra (8th) subject? – need to think very carefully about this as each LC subject is extensive and requires a lot of work. Big jump in standard from J.C. Other subjects could suffer if workload is too great. For points purposes best 6 subjects are counted. Almost all subjects are of equal importance. Extra points will be awarded in all universities and ITs for honours Mathematics in LC 2012 to 2015 Extra points are awarded in DT021 for honours in certain science subjects. Points System Grade Honours Ordinary A1 A2 100 90 60 50 B1 B2 B3 85 80 75 45 40 35 C1 C2 C3 70 65 60 30 25 20 D1 D2 D3 55 50 45 15 10 5 Leaving Certificate Programme Highly Desirable Subjects Unless there is a substantial reason otherwise, all students should definitely consider choosing: 1. 2. Subject Levels a modern language (NUI*) a science subject. Higher and Ordinary level all subjects. Foundation level Mathematics & Irish. Particular care needs to be taken with Mathematics. Failure in this subject can be detrimental to overall L.C. LC subject selection Core subjects: English, Mathematics & Irish* Optional subjects: Usually 4 other subjects are chosen Optional Subjects (4) BUSINESS APPLIED SCIENCES Business Home Economics Accountancy Construction Studies Economics Engineering Design and Communication Graphics SCIENCE Biology SOCIAL STUDIES Physics History Chemistry Geography Agricultural Science Music Art LANGUAGES French Information about LC subjects can be found on the German college website: www.crescentsj.ie and the NCCA Spanish website: www.ncca.ie Entry Requirements When choosing Leaving Certificate subjects great care must be taken as the choices of subjects made now may determine 3rd level and career options in 2 years time. Why? Regardless of how many points you get in your LC, you will be ineligible to even apply for a course if you have not met it’s “Course Entry Requirements” Generally there are 2 sets of ‘Entry Requirements’ which must be met before ‘points’ can be considered. A) Minimum Entry Requirements Particular subjects and minimum no. of honours / passes in the L.C. required to apply to an individual college. B) Specific Course Requirements Particular subjects and/or levels required to gain entry to specific faculties or courses. Minimum Entry Requirements of major CAO Colleges Institution Minimum grades NUI Colleges: UCD, NUIM, 2HC3 + 4OD3 NUIG, UCC. (RCSI, Shannon, Miltown) Required subjects OD3 in English, Irish & Modern Language*. Trinity College Dublin 3HC3 + 3OD3 OD3 in Maths, English & another Language Dublin City University 2HC3 + 4OD3 OD3 in Maths, English or Irish University of Limerick 2HC3 + 4OD3 OD3 in Maths, English & Irish or another Lang. Dublin Institute of Technology 2HC3 + 4OD3 (H.D.) 5OD3 (O.D. or H.C.) OD3 in Maths, English or Irish Regional Institutes of Technology (DK*) 2HC3 + 4OD3 (H.D.) 5OD3 (O.D. or H.C.) OD3 in Maths, English or Irish Specific Course Requirements These requirements are in addition to Minimum Entry Requirements. They are specific L.C. subjects / grades required for entry to particular courses. They tend to be in the following subject areas: Science subjects Languages Mathematics E.g. Veterinary Medicine in UCD Entry Requirements: 2HC3 + 4OD3, OD3 in English, Irish, Modern Language & Mathematics, HC3 in Chemistry. Sample Requirements Irish Primary Teaching – HC3 Journalism & Irish (DCU) – HB1 Comp. Sc., Linguistics & Irish (TCD) – HB3 Gno & Gaeilge (DCU) – OA2/HC3 A Language Many courses require a language but may not specify a particular one: Film & Broadcasting with a language (DIT) – HC3 in Ir or Fr. Applied Languages (DCU) – HC3 in Fr, Ge, Ir or Sp. Speech and Language Therapy (TCD) – HC3 in En, Fr, Ge, Ir, It, Ru or Sp. Cadet School – OD3 in a modern Language. French Law with French Law – HB3 Commerce with French (UCD) – HC3 Law and French (TCD) – HC1 Sample Requirements Mathematics Honours Engineering – HC3 Business Studies (DCU) – OC3/HD3 Optometry (DIT) - OB3 Economics & Finance (UCD) – HC3 Business (TCD) – OC/HD Science (UCD) – OB3/HD3 Commerce (UCD) – OB3/HD3 Law and Accounting (UL) – OC3/HD3 Science Particular care needs to be taken with science subjects. Many courses require any one science subject Some courses require 2 science subjects, particularly TCD and UCC. UCAS courses Nursing – OD3 in a Lab. Sc. Medical/Para medical courses Chemistry Pharmacy*, Human Nutrition, Veterinary Medicine, Medicine & Dentistry (UCC) – HC3 Appliance of Science Leaving Certificate Science Subjects COLLEGE SUBJECTS BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES Biology Horticulture Agriculture Marine Biology CHEMICAL SCIENCES Chemistry Biochemistry Chem. Engineering Medicinal Chem. PHYSICAL SCIENCES Physics Astronomy Electronics Computing ENGINEERING Civil Mechanical Aeronautical Electrical MEDICAL SCIENCES Pharmacy Nursing Opthalmic Optics Nutrition MEDICINE / DENTISTRY Medicine Vet. Medicine in order of importance to college subject 1 2 3 Biology Chemistry Mathematics Chemistry Mathematics Physics Physics Mathematics Chemistry Mathematics Physics Chemistry Chemistry Biology Physics Chemistry Physics Biology Dentistry British Association for the Advancement of Science Specific Course Requirements Unlikely that 3rd/TY students will know exactly, which courses/careers they wish to pursue at this stage. But from looking at their interests, abilities and aptitudes they may be able to identify broad areas of interest and hence check potential course entry requirements. Course Entry Requirements can be accessed: a) In the college’s prospectuses b) On the college’s websites c) Directory of LC Entry Requirements d) www.qualifax.ie – Subject Requirements It is only when all course entry requirements are met that students are qualified to apply for a course. General Advice If a student is not really sure what he/she wants to do in the future: Pick a broad range of subjects in order to keep options open Many students will change their minds about their future a number of times in the next 2 years E.g. one language one science one business one humanities / applied science. This combination would allow access into a broad range of courses/careers. Choosing a Subject A wise choice of subjects requires: Subject Teachers, Guidance Classes, TY Programme RESEARCH L.C. Books, Publications, Other Students Guidance Counsellors, Current Teachers DISCUSSION Family, Friends Consider all the information, views and opinions REFLECTION Then, ultimately each student must make up their own mind. DECISION Choosing a Subject Key Questions 1. 2. What subjects is the school offering? If I’m interested in a particular course/career area, what subjects are essential? ( Course Entry Requirements) 3. If not essential, what subjects would be useful/helpful for this course/career area? 4. What subjects do I like? (motivation) (not the teacher) 5. What subjects am I relatively good at? (DATs) (JC) Important Points DCG/Construction Studies are not needed to do Engineering. Maths and Physics are more important. Art is generally not needed for Art and Design courses. A portfolio is however. For Business courses, Maths is generally a requirement rather than Business subjects. No subjects are gender specific. Every student is unique (interests, abilities and aptitudes), hence they should choose subjects based on these and not current friendships or the opinions of others. Students should be careful to try pick a balance between learning and understanding subjects. Students should be aware of balancing subjects which help maximise points vs. subjects which may be of benefit to them in the future. Crescent College Comprehensive S.J. Subject Options Crescent College Comprehensive S.J. Subject Options Crescent College Comprehensive S.J. Subject Options Crescent College Comprehensive S.J. Subject Options Timetable of Events 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. February 2nd – Parents Night. February – Class presentations continue February 18th – Deadline for submission of application forms for TY. March 4th – Deadline for final subject choices for current TY’s March 15th - Deadline for final subject choices for current third years April 1st – Generation of classes begins.